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<title>Courts recognize the importance of efficient government in two new PRA decisions</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In 1972, when state voters enacted the Public Disclosure Act, they made a Declaration of Policy, providing:</p>
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<p>mindful of the right of individuals to <strong>privacy </strong>and of the desirability of the <strong>efficient administration</strong> of government, full access to information concerning the conduct of government on every level must be assured as a fundamental and necessary precondition to the sound governance of a free society.</p>
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<p><a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.17.010">RCW 42.17.010(11)</a>&nbsp;(emphasis added).&nbsp; The Public Records Act (PRA) was a component of the Public Disclosure Act, and later separated into a separate provision of State law.</p>
<p>In two recent opinions from Division I of the Washington State Court of Appeals, the Court has rejected claims under the PRA that would have interfered with the efficient administration of government.</p>
<p>In&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/61821-1.pub.doc.pdf">Koenig v. Pierce County</a>, the Court recognized that counties are made up of several distinct agencies. As a result, when Mr. Koenig made a public records request to the Office of the Pierce County Prosecuting Attorney, the Prosecutor's Office was not required to search for records in the Sherriff&rsquo;s Office.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/62561-6.unp.doc.pdf">ACLU&nbsp;v. City of Seattle</a>, the court held at under the PRA (at <a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.56.280">RCW 42.56.280</a>), a city does not have to release records related to union contract negotiations while those negotiations are ongoing. The state voters had approved an exemption from the general disclosure obligation when non-disclosure serves the public interest. Here, in applying that exemption, the Court noted:</p>
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<p>&ldquo;Public scrutiny of contract issues discussed prior to completing negotiations might be misconstrued, and disclosure would hinder a vital part of the bargaining process&mdash;the free exchange of views, opinions, and proposals.&rdquo;</p>
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<category>In the courts</category><category>Public Records</category><category>Public Records Act</category><category>Taxpayer costs</category><category>Taxpayer interests</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:58:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>City of Prosser Settles PRA Suit for $175,000</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The City of Prosser provides the latest example of how the Public&nbsp;Records Act can be very profitable for some.&nbsp; The City <a href="http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/812338.html">has agreed to pay a requester $175,000</a> to settle a PRA lawsuit.&nbsp; As recorded by the<a href="http://www.yakimaherald.com/stories/2009/07/15/07-16-09-prosserrecords">Yakima Herald</a>, the requester caught the City up in 11 mistakes after making 213 requests. &nbsp;The PRA requires strict compliance and puts no limits on the number of requests a person can make at no cost to the requester.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Taxpayers, of course, will pay the tab.&nbsp; And this may not be the end of it -- the requester has already warned &quot;<a href="http://www.tri-cityherald.com/901/story/648319.html">They've got to be fully prepared to go the next round</a>.&quot;&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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<category>In the courts</category><category>In the news</category><category>PRA</category><category>Public Records</category><category>Public Records Act</category><category>Strict compliance</category><category>Taxpayer costs</category><category>Taxpayer interests</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:38 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>Open Government Year in Review 2008-2009</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The First Annual &quot;Open Government Year in Review 2008-2009&quot;&nbsp;is now available for download.&nbsp; The Year in Review collects articles on case developments and other open government issues during the last year.&nbsp; Below is a partial list of articles.&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.localopengovernment.com/uploads/file/2009_Open_Governmet_Year_in_Review_AWC June 5 edition(1).pdf">Download your copy here</a>.</p>
<p><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Open Government Year in Review 2008-2009 partial table of contents:</font></font></b></p>
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<p><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Case Law Updates<o:p></o:p></font></font></b></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Parmelee v. Clarke</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Court Holds Agencies Can Enforce Their Public Records Act Policies</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">RHA v. City of Des Moines</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Supreme Court Underscores the Requirement to Produce an Exemption Log Under the Public Records Act</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Yousoufian v. Office of Ron Sims</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Supreme Court reverses the LARGEST court-assessed Public Records Act penalty in Washington State history &ndash; because it was TOO SMALL:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>What agencies can learn</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Sitterson v. Evergreen School Dist.</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Washington Adopts the Inadvertently Disclosing Doctrine for Privileged Records</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Bellevue John Does v. Bellevue School Dist. No. 405</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>The Supreme Court Re-Affirms Privacy Rights for Public Employees</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">West v. Thurston County</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Attorney Fee Bills Must Be Disclosed</font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">West v. Port of Olympia</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>All Deliberative Process Documents Must Be Disclosed After Decision Is Final<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">O&rsquo;Neill v. City of Shoreline</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>&ldquo;Metadata&rdquo; Is Subject to Disclosure<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Clark v. Tri-Cities Animal Care &amp; Control Shelter</i>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Is Your Independent Contractor Subject to the PRA?<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Open Government legislative update<o:p></o:p></font></font></b></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">End the &ldquo;Gotcha&rdquo; Nature of the Public Records Act<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Addressing the &ldquo;executive sessions&rdquo; question<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">The Open Public Meetings Act, &ldquo;Serial&rdquo; Meetings, and Email Exchanges<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Five Issues You Should Consider Before You Decide to Use Your Personal Email or Personal Computer for Official Public Business<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Lessons from Mesa: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>Seven Tips to Avoid Being Overwhelmed by the Repeat Public Records Requester (updated 9/08)<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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    <p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Cautionary lessons from 2009 from around the country</font></font>&nbsp;</p>
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<link>http://www.localopengovernment.com/2009/07/articles/open-government-year-in-review-20082009/</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:13:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Court: $500,000 for errors related to a single Public Records Act request</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Update July 13, 2009</p>
<p>Here is another story/editorial from the TNT on this case:&nbsp;&quot;<a href="http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/story/808953.html">L&amp;I, Justice Sanders run up the bill</a>.&quot;&nbsp; Even the TNT&nbsp;notes the harsh nature of the L&amp;I judgment:</p>
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<p>A half-million dollars does seem stiff, given that L&amp;I did not contest that it was at fault for withholding the records. An agency spokesman told The Olympian that an employee had failed to take proper action in response to the records request.</p>
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<p>Original Post</p>
<p>As noted in this <a href="http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/886007.html"><em>Olympian </em>article</a>, the Washington State Department of Labor &amp; Industries was recently ordered to pay $500,000 because of errors related to a single Public Records Act Request. This case demonstrates that the failure to properly respond to a single public records request can have significant economic consequences.&nbsp; One consequence of this judgment will be a significant increase in electrical inspection fees, because it is public dollars that will pay this judgment.</p>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:19:22 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>&quot;Death by a Thousand FOIAs&quot;</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting editorial in the Wall Street Journal: &nbsp;&quot;<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124700261179807839.html#printMode">Why Palin Quit <em>Death by a Thousand FOIAs</em></a>&quot;&nbsp;The editorial highlights that public records laws can be abused to paralyze a government agency or a public office holder:</p>
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<p>This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. ... Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>As bad as this may sound, at least Alaska law -- like the law in most states -- allows the state to charge for search time after giving each requester a taxpayer-subsidized five hours a month for free, which serves as a disincentive to anyone seeking to abuse the law by making large requests. Agencies in Washington, however, cannot charge for search time, which makes the Public Records Act an even more powerful weapon in this state for persons who may want to target an agency or official. And while the vast majority of requesters act in good faith, even one person can paralyze a city or other agency. <br />
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(Note, the editorial also highlights the numerous ethics complaints that have led to a half-million dollar attorney-fee bill, which also played a big factor in Palin&rsquo;s decision to resign.)</p>]]></description>
<link>http://www.localopengovernment.com/2009/07/articles/taxpayer-costs/death-by-a-thousand-foias/</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:41:23 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>Open Government in the News:  Washington State</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Here are recent open government headlines&nbsp;from Washington State&nbsp;-- thanks to <a href="http://www.washingtoncog.org/index.html">WaCOG </a>and<a href="http://og-blogdotcom.blogspot.com/">Og-Blog </a>for finding these.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ptleader.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&amp;SubSectionID=4&amp;ArticleID=24632&amp;TM=55011.97">&quot;<font face="Helvetica">D'Amico wins open records suit against Jefferson County for Commissioner Sullivan's phone calls&quot;</font></a>&nbsp; <em>Port Townsend Leader</em></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica"><a href="http://blogs.bellinghamherald.com/traffic/?p=797">&quot;Records show WWU hushing of information, criticism of student newspaper article&quot;</a> </font><em><font face="Helvetica">Bellingham Herald</font></em></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica">&quot;<a href="http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090628/NEWS01/706289844&amp;news01ad=1">Monroe's business gets done in secret&quot;</a>&nbsp; </font><em><font face="Helvetica">Everett Herald </font></em></p>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:06:55 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>To Blog or Not to Blog -- that is the question</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Last month I&nbsp;had the pleasure of teaching two classes to city officials at the Association of Washington Cities Conference in Spokane.&nbsp; One hot issue raised by the city councilmembers was the use of blogs and Web 2.0 cites.&nbsp; I&nbsp;cautioned against their use because the Public Records Act issues are unresolved.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Another topic at the conference, however, was about the use of blogs and Web 2.0 cites.&nbsp; The presenter, Lakewood City Councilmember Walter Neary, has his own blog, <a href="http://electing2blog.blogspot.com/">Electing2Blog</a>, Blogging by Elected Officials, dedicated to this topic.&nbsp;</p>
<p>When some of the councilmembers who attended my sessions cautioned about the risks of blogging created by the PRA,&nbsp; ... well here is Councilmember Neary's take &quot;<a href="http://electing2blog.blogspot.com/2009/06/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-public.html">A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to&nbsp;Public Outreach.</a>&quot;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Here is another take on the exchange from the Olympia Time blog:&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;<a href="http://olywa.blogspot.com/2009/06/secret-key-to-why-city-council-members.html#comment-6084770935070525833v">The secret key to why city council members are told not to blog</a>&quot;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Someone has also started a WIKI&nbsp;page on the topic entitled &quot;<a href="http://citycouncilbloghandbook.wikispaces.com/">Social Web handbook for Washington State local electeds</a>&quot;</p>
<p>I&nbsp;will post the questions I have asked <a href="http://www.atg.wa.gov/OpenGovernment/Ombudsman.aspx">Tim Ford, the AG Open Government Ombudsman</a>, about the legality of this topic shortly.&nbsp;</p>
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<link>http://www.localopengovernment.com/2009/07/articles/web-20/to-blog-or-not-to-blog-that-is-the-question/</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:58:41 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>Washington State Supreme Court Withdraws Yousoufian Opinion</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Update 7/5</p>
<p>What does this mean for other PRA&nbsp;cases?&nbsp; If you have a case at the penalty stage, I'd probably seek a stay because unless the Court adopts the identical test,&nbsp; if you do it now you'll just have to do it again later.</p>
<p>Original Post</p>
<p>The Washington State Supreme Court has withdrawn its January Opinion in the long-running <em>Yousoufian v. Office of Ron Sims</em> case.&nbsp; In that Opinion, the Supreme Court had ruled that the $124,000 Public Records Act penalty award against King County was too small.&nbsp; The Opinion adopted 16 factors trial courts should use to set penalty amounts.&nbsp; For more details on the Opinion, <a href="http://www.mrsc.org/focus/opengovadvisor/opengov0109.aspx">see this MRSC&nbsp;article</a>.</p>
<p>King County had moved to have the Opinion withdrawn after it was revealed that the Opinion author, Justice Richard Sanders, had a pending appeal in a Public Records Act case, where he was relying on his <em>Yousoufian </em>Opinion to argue that his judgment against the State should be increased.&nbsp; In light of the recent U.S. Supreme Court holding in <a href="http://www.localopengovernment.com/uploads/file/WV recusal US supreme .pdf"><em>Caperton v. Massey</em></a> that a West Virginia Supreme Court Justice's decision not to recuse himself violated due process, this result is not surprising.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Here is an <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009342833_yousoufian16m.html">article in the Seattle Times on the Supreme Court's ruling</a>.&nbsp; Here is a <a href="http://www.wasupremecourtblog.com/2009/06/articles/open-government/supreme-court-withdraws-yousoufian-ruling/">post on the Supreme Court Blog</a> about the order.&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:19:58 -0800</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ramsey Ramerman</dc:creator>

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<title>Reaching a balance on attorney-fee awards</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In North Carolina, as in many states, attorney-fee awards to requesters who are forced to file a lawsuit to obtain records are discretionary.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/nc-bill-would-award-legal-fees-records-lawsuits">New legislation</a>, however, would make the award of attorney fees mandatory, except when the agency relies on legal advice to justify its decision to withhold the records.&nbsp; The same legislation would require mandatory mediation prior to a lawsuit.</p>
<p>Washington's Public Records Act already mandates a penalty that includes attorney fees and a daily award.&nbsp; <a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.56.550">RCW 42.56.550(4)</a>.&nbsp; But there is no exception for reliance on legal advice -- or reliance on a prior court order.&nbsp; As a result, governments are required to pay penalties from their public funds even when those governments act in good faith reliance on legal advice or on a court order.</p>
<p>For example, in <em>West v. Thurston County</em>, 144 Wn. App. 573, 183 P.3d 346 (2008), the County relied on a prior court order in another case providing that the same attorney-fee bills were work product when it told a requester those bills were exempt as work product pursuant to <a href="http:// http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.56.290">RCW 42.56.290</a>.&nbsp; After the lawsuit was filed, however, the Legislature amended the Public Records Act to clarify that attorney-fee bills were in fact subject to disclosure.&nbsp; <a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.56.904">RCW 42.56.904</a>.&nbsp; As a result, the Court of Appeals ruled that the County had erred in withholding those records, and remanded for penalties &ndash; penalties that will be paid by the taxpayers of Thurston County. <br />
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<link>http://www.localopengovernment.com/2009/04/articles/reaching-a-balance-on-attorneyfee-awards/</link>
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